If every player on the game had the effect of their stats reduced to a slightly more realistic level then it would NOT be so easy to just pick the best players and run it in.
Lots of players are over-rated to the point thry have way too much of an impact on the gamel
Cristiano Ronaldo, Robin Van Persie, Wayne Rooney, Fernando Torres, David Villa, Didier Drogba, etc.
Basically the twenty best players on the game are souped up way better than their real life counterparts. How many awful games have these guys had in the real world? Between them its easily in the hundreds... the lower league players are shocking in comparison when in reality, the gulf between the skill levels is much smaller.
Make the balance more even and people will use more of the teams. Why does nobody want to keep this game fresh? Surely all the CR7 lovers out there must have empty balls by now... look at something else for a minute.
|||agree|||Real madrid are all over rated iam sick of playing them all the time i play as no onehas any skill anymore
|||David Villa's one of the best strikers in the world. Obviously his shot accuracy will be greater too hence which is why you would much rarely miss with him.
If you think this is not a very realistic game, what game do you reckon is more realistic then?
I can't think of another football game apart from FIFA 11 or PES 6 that has any kind of realism.
PES 2010 and 2011 has players like Messi and Ronaldo that run too fast like Cheetahs.
This is something that doesn't happen in FIFA 11, this is what makes FIFA 11 the best game we ever had on PC.
Real Madrid are defeatable. And personally I don't think Real are the best team in the game. In my opinion it is Chelsea. In either case if an opponent online selects Real, you pick Chelsea then? Sorted!
Or alternatively just create custom matches in the lobby with 4 star teams only. Anyone who joins would be unable to pick 5 star teams.
There is always ground for improvements and I am sure in FIFA 12 we will get an even better game. Even if it may turn out to be a FIFA 11 console port.|||That is not my point Blazing. Of course their teams are beatable. I'm saying that the players are much better than their real life counter parts.
David Villa can score amazing goals, but not with every shot. He doesn't need editing as such, but the impact of a high statistic in finishing and accuracy should be reduced. Players miss a lot more often.
Madrid are clearly beatable but it is not enjoyable to play them. Why should somebody have to be on their guard for eleven supermen? I have seen Madrid lose away from home to some appalling teams in La Liga.
My point is that if those players are so good, then why are the players for lower teams and even in lower leagues so much worse as footballers all round.
I don't care how good he is, Ronaldo/Messi are not the fastest players in the world, some guy who plays in some stupid league in some stupid country is. The base skills of a player should be enough to make a difference. Regardless of your opinions, the main consensus on the forums appear to be that Messi is under-rated. He lacks in strength which is a severley overexaggerated attribute in this edition of FIFA. ROnaldo how ever has high strength, pace and control as well as finishing which makes him almost unplayable. If you are trying to tell me that his real life performances are anything like as consistent as the ones you see on this game then I have to say you are either biased and/or deluded.
I love FIFA and still play regularly, but feedback is how games are improved, certain player stats and other minor game aspects mean that you can still win a match, even by pressing the WRONG buttons.
The fact that a player SUCH AS Ronaldo has technique in the high nineties coupled with pace of a similar level enables someone to run straight at the opponent's defender (world class CB or not), get tackled but still retain the ball. Not even once but sometimes two or even three times in as many seconds. While this is admittedly a part of the game of football, it occurs much too frequently to allow the game to retain its integrity.
In real life, goals fly in the net from all over the pitch in any way imaginable. In FIFA long range efforts are possible, but rare. I can remember ten times as many screamers hitting the woodwork or being saved than I can remember scoring. It would be nice if the game represented the real thing a little more and allowed players to utilise their tactically ability more than just relying on constant pressing and elements of luck. The majority of goals online are scored from ten yards or less. And almost every goal from outside of the box is scored from the left hand corner of the penalty area by holding RB. That is not representative of real life at all. Keepers still are not right and it sabotages the gameplay of what is actually a brilliant simulation. Some touchups to menus, game modes, commentary, cutscenes and models wouldn't go amiss either but that's another story.
Even the developers admit the gameplay needs an overhaul for FIFA 12, I get that you want to defend the game because it is way better than anything else on the PC... but where did I mention PES or anything else you went on about? Don't get your back up, there's nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism. This game is a great step in the right direction, but there is work to be done for it to be called perfect. But why shouldn't we expect a perfect game in the end?
|||Simple.
You can please all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, but can't please all of the people all of the time.
:)
The game will never be perfect, one persons treasure is another persons trash.|||@bz2886: I think what you're looking for is Personality Plus. It's the players individuality that's lacking in this game and if we get P+ some of those issues that you're after may be solved.
Indeed Ronaldo/Messi aren't the fastest. But even in FIFA 11 Barca and Real are not as overrated as how they are in PES 2010 and 2011.
I think you've played PES 2010. Don't you remember how fast these players were running? Almost like cheetahs. Now compare that to FIFA 11, the players in FIFA 11 are much more balanced than in PES.
In real life, goals fly in the net from all over the pitch in any way imaginable. In FIFA long range efforts are possible, but rare.
I understand that too.
However, you got to also realise that there would also be consequences of it as well.
If we had the ability to score from anywhere from the pitch, people will misuse it, especially online! Until the technology isn't advanced to create that balance between scoring and not scoring from long distances. Players will always find certain mechanisms to exploit by scoring from long distances every time, anywhere from the pitch.
There needs to be a fine balance so this isn't possible too, otherwise you too will be frustrated of it! And that's primarily the reason why in FIFA 11 we are not given that opportunity yet. Developers are also cautious of it too. They don't want to make a mistake whereby you could exploit the system by scoring goals from anywhere on the pitch. It wouldn't be realistic. It will become very arcady.
I heard some complaints about FIFA 07 NG Console users saying that people online were continuously misusing the system by scoring from half way line directly from kick-off and it worked every single time!
It use to work even in FIFA 08 PC where you could score from very long distances away and you will be frustrated from this as you can't even defend those exploits.
There is no perfect football game out there and there never will even though I too may want it to be perfect! I know that would be unrealistic. And if I maintain that perfectionist attitude I will never be happy.
I can assure you that the people in 100 years time who will play FIFA 2112 will also complain in the same way that the game needs to be perfected.:) Because there will always be something missing in the game. Ideas that we could never think of at the moment, will be in the minds of the people 100 years later on in the FIFA 2112 forums (that's if our world still exists by then)!:)|||Aint no pleasing me
|||actually CR7 is like a cheetah in FIFA11 also... and about the long shots... i dont have any problem with it except the ball hits woodworks very often.. that should be balanced...|||Thanks for the long reply Blaze, you make some good points. Especially about P= because I haven't played this years console version actually.
I would just like to see a slight balance... maybe form ratings for the players might make all of the differece. Remember the condition arrows in PES, they make sure that you use all of the players in the squad and at times wil negate the effect of the star players. I'm not saying copy this, but something similar might help to balance the game out.
You make a very good point with regards to gameplay being open to getting exploited. I reckon that creative and skilled football should be made more rewarding than just charging towards goal. I don't have the answer to how you would do it but I'm sure there would be ways of altering the algorithms for the outcome of each action and increasing the chances of scoring from range (as oppose to it hitting the post or bar) or just generally attacking in the non-standard ways that we all have to.)
I agree that we will never have it perfect and that people will always complain. But that doesn't stop me feeling that whilst this is the best looking FIFA ever, it is not the most satisfying. Ranking hackers don't help the atmosphere but there are ways to make the game better without bending over backwards and they could be done. Looking at the initial statements from developers, I think the signs are a little encouraging and I believe there is a chance that some of what I'm saying is on the list of improvements.
I'm not the only person saying this, but I am one of the few that has put all of the concerns in one post. Hope the developers read this forum in the run up to creating version 12.0 and maybe listen to some of the most discussed issues on here.
I have to admit, I haven't played much of PES in the past couples of versions so havent seen much of Messi or Ronaldo in comparison, but even if they both are like this, that just means both games are wrong in this respect. I still really like this game - I would just prefer a touch more balance in the quest for realism. Nobody wants an arcade game, but it is rare that football is played at fifty miles an hour for the full match. A few tweaks to game mechanics will make this game substantially better and I would suspect that is the genereal goal of any company that wants to sell a lot of units of their product.
FIFA shouldn't just be FIFA, it should be FOOTBALL
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